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MacGuyver's Mr. Incredible Suit Huntorial *LOTS OF PICS!*

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Macguyver

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Finally, here it is everyone! I'll try to explain as many details as I go through each step, but if you've got any questions about anything please feel free to post it up. Ready? Good. Let's do this...

***PREP TIPS***

ZIPPER - I HIGHLY recommend replacing the zipper on the back of the Mr Incredible suit with a better zipper made out of much stronger material than the cheap plastic type which comes already installed on it!!! I'd forgotten to do this on mine & when the time came to get suited up, the damn zipper broke immediately! I used safety pins to hold it together, but that made it a real pain in the ass to get on & off.

DUCT TAPE DUMMY - The duct tape dummy I'd made was made in two separate parts, the upper torso & the lower legs. I also made an internal "skeletal" structure for it using pvc pipes & pvc pipe connector pieces. Doing it this way, I was able to glue certain joints together so they'd stay there permanently, such as the knees, hips & inner shoulder joints, while other parts were left unglued, such as the waist & arm pieces. Therefore, it allowed me the ability to pull certain areas apart once I needed to remove the Mr I suit from the dummy. It still wasn't exactly "easy" by any means to separate the latex suit from the dummy, but these features did help out a great deal. As I recall, it took both, myself & one of my good friends about two hours to fully remove the latex suit from the dummy w/o causing damage to the finished suit. Although, much of that time was spent cracking jokes & laughing hysterically throughout the suit-dummy separation & removal process!

Mr. I suit on Duct Tape Dummy................CHECK!
Space to work uninterrupted.....................CHECK!
Table (protected w/ plastic cover).............CHECK!
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1 gal of Monsterroom Latex..........................CHECK!
Plenty of different materials to experiment.....CHECK!
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Although, I quickly learned these types of homemade sponges I'd made w/ pieces of foam cut into blocks (used for winterizing a/c units, found at any hardware store), textured by ripping out small bits w/ a pair of pliers & then hot glued pieces of a wooden dowel as a handle worked out BEST for stippling on the latex. Cheap & easy, since each sponge is only good for maybe 1 hour of use & then has to be tossed into the trash.
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Lay suited Duct Tape Dummy onto the protected table surface. Keep a list of general notes & tips nearby for reference.
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Here's the text form of the list which is seen on the table in the pic above. I got them all from researching as many posts as I could find here in the Lair & also directly from a few members. It's a random collection of all the tips & helpful info I'd thought would be useful to me along the way. I didn't need all of them but it was nice to see another's perspective & methods. So, absorb what is useful for you & more importantly, don't ever be afraid to try something new!

***MISC LAIR NOTES & LATEX TIPS***
PREDATOR SKIN
LATEX APPLICATION TIPS

Cut some custom sponges from some 2" upholstery foam. Make the sponges about 2" x 3" so that you can cover the suit faster.

Make a duck tape dummy of your self and put the suit onto it. Latex will shrink and it is good to have some behind it. This will give it something to shrink to. I lay the dummy and suit on a table. Then I pour a pile of latex on the center of the chest area and pull or roll the latex up and down the suit with latex coated brush or roller (not Dry). I like the roller better then the brush, I find it gives a more even coat. You can give the suit texture by slapping the foam brush up against the latex to stipple it. I do one side at a time while it is lying down. When standing up straight I find the latex likes to roll down or drip and make drip patterns down lower on the suit.
I just got an air gun for latex yesterday to apply latex into molds and body suits. I wanted a more even coat and less brush and roller marks.

You need to put the suit on a dummy or stuff it. Latex will shrink and you don't want the suit to wrinkle and warp. You can put the latex on with a brush, roller, or sprayer. You only need a few coats, the more you add the harder it will get to move in it.

I think the sponge/stipple paint application method is going to be the most workable method for your first skin. It's a little more time-consuming. But, by the time you get from one end of the skin to the other, you'll be able to start the next layer. When you cut the sponges, make the working end uneven and rounded off by tearing little bits off of the end so you won't have straight edges. That will be invaluable when it comes to the seams!! Brush strokes can be seen. Sponge blotting cannot.

I'd suggest at least 5 layers for a decent skin that would be almost 1/8" thick. You might do some basic pattern colors or muscle shading between layers with some tinted latex as well for more depth in the skin. Veins and spots would be good to do in between layers. The extra colors would end up diffused by the successive layers to a degree that the skin will have a very realistic depth to it. The more you cover any extra tones, the more subtle and effective the overall look will be in the end once you take an air brush to it for the top layer patterns. Think of each layer as a piece of tissue paper. Each layer, laid up on it's previous layer, has different features that show through in different ways, but combines to make a finished piece that has more than just a 2-D painted look. That's how most airbrush artists do their painting. They think about what's underneath before they think about surface colors. It can be done that way with pretty much any kind of paint or technique. Just a matter of deciding how something is going to show through the next layer.

I'd do a basic layer of latex, untinted, first. Then go for a tinted light tan or off-white for the next. After that, you can do some veins or spotting that will be barely visible through the successive layers, depending on how dark you make them.
Dark spots will show through more than light spots.

So, definitely take advantage of the layering technique and give your skin some real depth that will make people go "ooooooh" and "ahhhhhhh"!!!

Get rid of the bristle brushes. I don't want to see you have to constantly pick bristles out of your predator skin every 10 seconds. LOL ~DangerDavey

I'd highly suggest the first couple of layers be tinted with some white or beige acrylic to start painting over the red of the M.I. suit. You can mix it in a ratio of 25% paint to 75% for a very durable, thick under coat. That should be enough to start subduing the red. You can also take advantage of the red by using it as a subtle under-color where patterning will go. Just don;t cover it completely in the first and second layers and the successive layers will subdue it to nice degree. ~Dave

First off you have to have some form to put the suit on. You want this form to be your body size or close. You need to stretch the arms and legs and tape them down, because latex shrinks. If you have a sprayer you can spray the latex on this will give you a smooth skin. You can use a roller but this gives you a bumpy texture. Let the first layer dry and then add on the next layer. 3 layers is good any more the suit gets heavy and harder to move in. It is good to tint the latex with an off white tint to help hide the red color and give you a base for you to paint on. I like to mix my latex 50/50 with distilled water it helps in a smooth finish. ~TMI





My suit after first layer of latex.
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I used cotton pads to create better Predator-like abs. I found cotton pads were easier to work w/ than cotton balls.
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I'd added in some polystyrene beads to create a better look, but then later on it just didn't look right to me. So, I removed most of them w/ a razor blade & it left a bunch of small, cool looking recessed/dented in bubble-shapes that was unlike anything I'd seen before, but in a very VERY COOL WAY! *Check out what I mean by scrolling down a few pics!*
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I also added some craft store pom-poms & more polystyrene beads to the back area and to the area around the leg muscles.
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I spent a lot of time just staring at it, which helped me realize that I needed to get it as far away from the original look of the Mr. I suit as I possibly could. So, I then decided to make even further changes on the chest & abs to enhance more Pred-like features. I achieved this by adding pieces of cotton batting I'd cut into specific shapes & continued adding a few more thin layers of latex onto the entire suit.
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I then added pieces of yarn & small lengths of thin rope to create the appearance of bulging 3-D veins.
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I painted the veins w/ a deep bluish purple before adding the final layers of latex which gave them a neat "under the skin" look. Although, after I'd been experimenting a bit, learning what I could do w/ my airbrush on a 3-D surface, I later white washed the entire suit & began a whole new paint scheme.
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When I'd finally reached the painting step, I had still not fully decided on any "one" particular style or color pattern. So I'd sought out some tips & advice on painting from two of the best Predator painters I knew of, The Mortal Immortal & mangrasshopper (Joe D). Per their advice, I pretty much just continued spending many, many hours staring at it & every now & then I played around w/ a few different color shades & patterns until I discovered the "one" that it was meant to be. After that, the painting process seemed to fly by like nothing as the suit's pattern grew & soon became it's very own new skin. Thanks to everyone here in the lair who helped me out & kept me going throughout the entire process! Enjoy the rest of the pics!

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All of those many steps above, inevitably led me to what you see here below...MY FIRST FULL LATEX PREDATOR SKIN!!!

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Edited by Macguyver, 11 December 2007 - 05:49 PM.


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Bovine13

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Thats one hell of a Huntorial. The newbs and Veterans alike can learn from that. Great job man.

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Mr Fett

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Now THAT is a tutorial, folks. Awesome.

#4
StazztheRed

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I love the tutorial Macguyver. You really know how to make these :unsure: :o

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Sand Scout

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Holy rusted metal Batman!!!! thats friggin briliant!

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ANUBIS

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Thats flippin crazy, awsome work.......

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keefer

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That my friend, is a sexy bitch!!!!! Stellar job....you make it look soo easy!!!!!! What would you say was the cost of your first skin...just to give everyone an idea??? Phenominal I say!!!!!!!

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Macguyver

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  • Location:Mad Town, WI

That my friend, is a sexy bitch!!!!! Stellar job....you make it look soo easy!!!!!! What would you say was the cost of your first skin...just to give everyone an idea??? Phenominal I say!!!!!!!


Well, just off the top of my head, here's a list of the basics:

Duct Tape Dummy materials..........................$25
Trusting friends to cover you in Duct Tape
AND safely cut you out in a timely manner.......PRICELESS
Mr. I suit (on sale from buycostumes.com)......$50
1 gal. Monsterroom Latex (+ s/h)...................$35
Acrylic Paints (to tint latex)............................$15
Misc craft store stuff......................................$15-$20
Perma-Wet (from Monster Makers).................$25
New Iwata Eclipse HP-CS Airbrush,
Compressor, Hoses, fittings...........................$150
Createx Airbrush Paints.................................$30
My time, patience & skills...............................PRICELESS!

That's just a rough estimate. I don't feel like adding it all up because the final outcome was basically priceless for me as a learning experience.
Plus, it allowed me to regularly scare the living shit out of my roommate for months on end because I kept moving it, placing it in different places all around the house. Yeah, I'll admit it...after a while I just kept doing it on purpose to mess w/ him! :o Cheap, wholesome fun in my opinion! :bigthumb: He even said a few times, he almost tried to tackle it thinking it was a burglar hiding in the corner! :unsure:

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smutly73

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  • Location:Fairfeild, CA
You just keep amazing me Mac G. every time i look at the stuff you do i am more and more encouraged to get busy on my suit. Great job on the Tut. im saving this one in my personal brain folder. :unsure:

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Valcar

Valcar
  • Location:Watford, Hertfordshire, UK
Wow Awesome work, this will he me no end, massive thanks. :o :unsure: :bigthumb:

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mangrasshopper

mangrasshopper
  • Location:WI
Great job! Its cool to see this project from start to finish! Glad I could be of assistance!

#12
Supraman

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  • Location:Germany Bavaria
Thats a awesome work. Wow.

Do you have a picture when you are in the suit ?? Pls.
Thanx.

#13
kwalsh000

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Great tutorial dude and savage suit! Cheers for posting it up, i can see it coming in useful in the future. :rofl:

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depredador1997

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AWESOME TUTORIAL MAN AND KILLER SUIT!!! I MIGHT TRY THAT METHOD IN THE NEAR FUTURE....THANX FOR POSTING IT.

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dark hunter

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  • Location:manchester united kingdom
i would also like to see a pic of you in the suit when i seen another guy in the suit it looked very false and like material , i hope this looks diffrent :rofl:
if i was going to make one would you recommend tailoring the suit to be tightish but still comfortable or does it look ok ?? :lol:
I've really been wondering if i should buy a high end body suit or just make one of these.
great paint job by the way and love the use of materials , congrats. :D :D

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Macguyver

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i would also like to see a pic of you in the suit when i seen another guy in the suit it looked very false and like material , i hope this looks diffrent :rofl:
if i was going to make one would you recommend tailoring the suit to be tightish but still comfortable or does it look ok ??



Thats why I put the suit onto the Duct Tape Dummy before applying the latex. The Duct Tape Dummy is made to my exact body dims. Here's a link to see pics of me in the suit:

http://www.thehunter...?showtopic=2860

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blk n blu dream

blk n blu dream
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Good call removing some of the beads, too many just make it looks like small pox or something. :lol: I think you made the perfect amount at the end though. I'm definitely gonna keep in mind the poof balls in the future. :rofl:

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Scott

Scott
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  • Location:Pennsyvania
Incredible. . .I like how you used cotton pads to make the muscles on the stomach look more alien like. The veins are very cool looking also. Gives it a nice unique look. Awesome choice of colors as well. :bigthumb:

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benstormer

benstormer
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  • Location:the midlands,U.K.
lookin good!great tutorial,will come in very handy :bigthumb:

#20
Macguyver

Macguyver
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  • Location:Mad Town, WI
I've added in a "PREP TIPS" section to my above tutorial. I've gotten a lot of inquiries from members looking for advice tips & such about this particular tutorial, so I figured that I'd add in a few new tips to the tut as they come up. :o

In an effort to help create a more thoroughly detailed tutorial & reduce the number of other threads out there, I'd also like to also make all members aware that they're ALWAYS encouraged to add in & offer up any other new tips which may be applicable for this particular type of "Mr. Incredible Latex Suit Project".

Please feel free to post up any tips/advice/ideas as they pop into your heads! I'll then go through the reply posts here & add the new info, advice & tips into the main tut post here in the future wherever the info will best apply within the steps. :)


Thanks again to everyone for all the great comments already posted! :bigthumb:

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Sand Scout

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Hey Mac do you think if someone would spray a release agent on the DT Dummy first , would it be easyer to remove the Mr I suit?

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Macguyver

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Hey Mac do you think if someone would spray a release agent on the DT Dummy first , would it be easyer to remove the Mr I suit?



Good question. I'm not sure, but I believe the release agents you're referring to are the same or similar to those used for softening the latex surface inside of a latex mold which has been used for casting purposes. Although, since I've never used any type of release agent like this myself, I've got to be totally honest w/ you in that I'm really just guessing here...

I wouldn't advise using any chemical-based release agents on this type of thing for a few reasons. The main reason being that I wouldn't want to apply anything to the inside areas which may cause the latex to breakdown or deteriorate in any way, especially after putting all that hard work & who knows how many hours of time into creating something like this. Release agents cause the latex to become soft & my big concern is to what degree it actually "softens" the latex. I think it's probably best to keep the inner layers of latex as strong & firm as possible & wouldn't use any sort of chemical that may cause the base layers lose any adhesion w/ the inner fabric of the Mr. I suit.

Sometimes there's just no substitute for good ol' fashioned elbow grease...and a big bottle of baby powder. The toughest part in getting the suit off is that the latex is a form of rubber, which will tend to grip it's surrounding surfaces & doesn't allow the inside of the suit to simply slide off. I think it's probably just best to use your own two hands while sprinkling baby powder in between the walls of the Mr I suit & the dummy. This method will work out just fine. :)



The biggest problem I'd had removing my finished suit from the DT dummy was due to the fact I made my suit w/ several more latex layers than it actually needed, which made it impossible to "peel" off the DT dummy. In the end, what worked out best was cutting a few holes in the DT dummy & removing some of the stuffing from inside. I could then very easily separate the Mr I suit apart from the dummy. Also, I tried to keep the dummy in the best possible condition since I'd be using it to display the finished suit in between the few opportunities I'd get to actually wear the damn thing. However, my friend just kept trying to convince me it'd be so much easier & "waaaaay more fun" to just cut up the entire DT dummy & make a new one later. But in doing these types of projects, I've learned the benefits will usually be far greater when a certain level of cautionary patience is used during the final steps of any project where a lot of time has been invested, while my friend was basically still feeling somewhat destructive from earlier that same evening when he broke my glue gun in an attempt to "get it working waaaaaay better"! He's promised me a brand new glue gun for Christmas this year. :lol:

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Eagleskull

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Hey, MacGuyver. Do you mind if i ask you what you used to fill the dummy in?

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Macguyver

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Hey, MacGuyver. Do you mind if i ask you what you used to fill the dummy in?




A few bags of regular ol' craft store stuffing works great. I tried filling part of my legs w/ Great Stuff foam, but that worked like crap. Go w/ the stuffing, it's cheaper & a lot easier to work with! :lol:

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Chris The Fury

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Trusting friends to cover you in Duct Tape
AND safely cut you out in a timely manner.......PRICELESS

lol my Girlfriend still winces when she sees the scar she gave me, while trying to cut me out.


Also, Great tutorial! very detailed and concise!




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