This popped up in another thread, and made me wonder, yet again, why people hate on P2. Was it just because Danny Glover didn't have the physical presence of Arnie? The city backdrop?

So far it's the only one of the movies that has really expanded on the original. It gave us new weapons, a look into the clan idea, the trophies they collect and their history. I liked Predators just fine, but it was basically Predator with 3 main differences. P2 actually went out there and did something different, which if I may wax nostalgic for a moment, was how they had to do things back then. None of this just rehashing what has been done before with different death scenes (I'm looking at you, Scream and Final Destination series).

Both AVP movies were actually good ideas I thought, spoiled by just terrible execution. So come on...explain to me why P2 sucks.

I myself thought P2 was one of the best sequels out there.just like you said...newly designed Predator,new weapons,great action,new landscape.....and my favorite...we all got to see the Lost Hunters at the end...not to mention our very first Elder. I never understood the hate.....you cant please them all....with anything!!!!

needed more action

Personally I'm a P1 fan .I used to be a P1 purist but Now I love the P2 for the reasons you've mentioned paul.
the cutting disk,the spear, the armor etc,etc, everything on that ugly mofo scrams bad ass!
the only thing I hate about P2 is that stupid whore Maria conchita alonso's acting I wonder how many casting couches she had to go thru to get that part.

I will go even further. I've always liked P2 more than P1. The predator is more menacing and has more screen time, the action scenes are way cooler, the ambient is much more creepy. It's more like my kind of movie. I haven't seen the whole Predators movie, but I saw some of the scenes 'somehow' (All the Mr Black scenes) and it looks like a step backwards from P2.

I like P2 better than P1 for the fact that it had more action scenes and I loved the idea of it taking place in a city.

Nothing wrong with p2 imo, apart from a couple of very dodgy acting displays.

the rest of the film as Paul said, did a great deal for what we love about the creature, it expanded juuuuuuuuuuuust enough to keep us interested , but not so much that the creature lost all its mystique.

Pussyface was the best looking pred! Super cool gadgets, clan members, great story etc list is endless.
So good that I'm building suit now...

I'm pretty much going to echo everyone who have responded so far. Outside of most of the acting the movie is awesome. I'm extremely biased of course because you could put Predator in a barbie movie and I'd like it. Honestly my favorite part is torward the end when Predator has to patch himself up after getting his arm cut off. I'm forever fascinated by all the small nuances they came up with for something rather low key (despite all the screaming he did when it put the mush on his open wounds). I could watch a whole movie with nothing but Predators going about their daily lives...and not just the hunting either. But then again, hunting seems to be a heavy preoccupation for them.

Anyway. Just my two cents.

i loved p2...but you cant please everyone

p2 was an awful inception to the pull of predator series.ideas r only that,unless executed correctly.it was a punk fest at best,meaning.drawn out story of the bad guys.the 80'2 were a political reflection of the drug/crime scene ,and they took advantage of it fully(beveryly hills cop,robocop,etc).the predator had nothing to do with the story.b real fellow geeks,it was a sci fi scarface.

The P2 movie gave us a lot og weaponry that we see today: the spear, cutting disc, netting, etc...I believe that having the setting in the city helped the Predator character even more...it made it that it hunts anywhere and pretty much anything. I still put it up there in my top 3.

I just think it was a victim of the new, much anticipated Predators movie taking place right after the first one.

As for AVP and AVPr...both had great story lines. The part with AVP was the creatures weren't to par, the acting was sub-par, and it was too much for the alien. AVPr was very good, all they had to do was turn the damn light on!

P2 its a great movie, i like it a lot , but P1 its my ultimate favorite P2 comes second then Predators.

I would have to agree here My favorite PREDATOR films in this exact order
P1
P2
PREDATORS
AVP-R
AVP

Heres me thinking u were a hard core wolf fan...suddenly P2 the best...lol
Methinks u cant make up your mind Byran...You just love all the preds....

No p2 was always my fave. Check the whats your fave pred thread... P2 and wolf's close 2nd

I love P2 just because of what a clever twist the writers did to what could've been a cut-and-paste, paint-by-numbers job it could've been. We could've ended up with Robowars. Instead the writers actually had the smarts to take the idea of the "jungle" and do a new twist to it, ala "concrete jungle" of LA.

Plus the preds looked damn cool.

now all you P2 fans come out of hiding!

I was watching it a little while back actually, and noticed some text on the monitors in Keyes truck, that I thought said 'beowulf', which I thought was a very cool little nod to the fact that they were hunting a monster. I was really disappointed when I got a better look and it said 'owlf'

P2 was awesome, but flawed. I don't hate it, just find it sort of inconsistent compared to any other Pred film.

1. The gangs were too over the top/cartoony. Seemed to be trying to imitate Robocop's over-the-top villians, but without the satire it fails.
2. The cops are all goofy. And they're dressed like blind Matlock extras. The "future" costume/production design was a failure, imo. The should have stuck it in LA modern day. That's my single biggest gripe.
3. Some realllllly bad writing.

1. The pros: I like that they didn't do another 80's steroid hero. I like that they deviated from that crap.
2. Nice and violent!
3. The Predator's new weapons were fun.
4. LOVE the city backdrop.
5. The Lost Hunters. What a great end. One of my favorite ends of any film. And the elder giving him the flintlock--goosebumps.

Overall my order goes:

1. Predator
2. Predators
3. AVP: Requiem/P2 tie
4. AVP

I don't hate P2, just see a lot of wasted opportunities/mis-steps. My #2 gripe is really a biggie.

That's what I like. The concrete jungle twist is cool.

I totally agree with Bryan, i thought P2 was a great sequel! it was a very fun movie to watch, i loved he performances with all the characters. And p2 was just a freaking awesome design, as much as i love Wolf he has the best pred face ever. Totally one of most epic scenes is when he turns his head quickly towards Harrigan (in the slaughter house) and does his epic scream, flexing his mandibles...Great new weapons and tech, great new idea of being in a city rather than a jungle in Central America...plus i love the combistick...christ i could go on all day. It's just as good as Predator, same with Predators, In my opinnion. I loved it.

I don't know p2 is my favorite next to Predators I don't care if p1 was the original the father of everything doesn't mean I have to like Predator the most. I just liked p2 the approach was awesome. And the Lost Predators. Oh ya. P2 just looked awesome. He didn't screw around like p1 did when it came to taken people out he did it. P2 FTW BRAAAH!! But the characters in p1 were more awesome.

It doesn't suck at all, I agree it needed more action and there were a few hoaxy things. I really enjoyed as it was done tastefully. It was the early 90s and most movies had assumed L.A. was a huge warzone because of the riots so it was a little far fetched with that.

I like how the predator was drawn by conflict, he hunted down a warrior and died honorably. As mentioned before we saw awesome new weapons, the clan, the first look at their ship and trophie collection.

It sucked in the aspect again of the cheesy hard copy reporter and the drug lord wars. Also Hicks being a weirdo and saying everything is his specialty but those things weren't enough to bring this movie down. I really liked it.

"Hudson...HE's Hicks" *Points to the other guy*

i cant understand the p2 disliking by some either. for me i like it equal to p1, ive watched both to the death but id say p2 is always a more exciting watch for me, get to see more of the pred, new weapons and the best seen of all time... the lost hunters! p2 and the lost hunters are my fave preds!

Sorry Hudson, thanks for the edit. I wasn't staying frosty I guess. = /

I really like p2, the end was my fav. out of all the predators movies

P2 good i liked the train scene, and the trophies wall the best

Any1 who doesn't like P2 is cleary not a pred fan and is Lame and Sucks balls!!! That's all I'm saying

Fixed

Ok now thats a funny change to my "quote"

I missed the part where it was supposed to be funny.

I just watched Predator 2... for the first time... finally. (Some Predator fan I am, huh?)

I like what P2 did to expand the Predator universe, in terms of the types of Predators and the weapons. The main Predator in this one just wasn't very easy to kill, either. As far as the humans go, though, I really didn't want to empathize with any of the main characters. The movie started out as a typical late-80s/early-90s cop flick, and I'm just not a fan of cop movies. It contained the classic old cop movie cliche about some cop who bends the rules, disobeys his superiors, goes on his own investigation, and eventually solves the case by being a maverick. Where have I seen that before?

But back to the Predators in this one. I like the expansion of the mythos that Predators are drawn by heat and conflict, and that they still continue to fight with honor. And the new weapons, like the smart disc, combo staff, and netgun, are awesome. I might just have to make a couple of those for myself. (I've also seen them in the comics, which have provided me a pretty good amount of inspiration.)

I don't really have a ranking of all the Predator films in my head right now. They've all done different things to expand the Predator mythos and given us a playground. And so far, they haven't committed the Predator equivalent of Ewoks, Jar-Jar Binks, or Son of Godzilla.

If I put Predator in a Twilight movie, would you like it? I think wristblades and a smart disc would do wonders to slice up an angsty teenage love triangle.

I have to say something to defend P2 for those that thinks it's a bad movie. Ok, it's kind of hard to say where the majority of the people are coming from. Is watching the movies your first time looking at Predators ever or did you start with the comic which is where Predator started from in the first place? Even though a few stories, "I will admit it too", are not the greatest, a new Predator is introduced with new weapons, new abilities and technologies. That's what makes Predator great. Just watching Predator(s) to see what they do and how they are DIFFERENT from the previous Predator not which one is better. To me, I love them all because I am a Predator fan an not so much a movie critic. The only thing "WE" can do as true fans is convince these film makers to not screw up what the true fans love.

Also, I think Predator is best when he stands alone and not with all the Aliens. AVP2 and go on to another Predator story. Not to say that I didn't like AVP, just the story line wasn't as good as the first two movies prior in my opinion. But I say again, I love Predator and not what Hollywood thinks should be. For the comic readers, I know might remember Batman Vs. Predator. That was a good story but if they make a movie of that and pick anyone to director, screen write, and act in the movie, they can destroy that story really good. I would love to see what a female Predator look and behave like but then again other people isn't going to like that idea. Can't please everyone no matter how hard you try to.

The main reason why I love P2 is the look of him. I would say P2 and Wolf (not counting the new Black Predator cause I don't know if I like him yet for what he did in the movie. For those have seen the movie know what I'm talking about LOL) are the two that stand apart as far as design. Love the first and Scar too but their are some many P1 and Scar suit renditions out there and hardly any P2. I thought the "City Hunter" concept was a great idea for Predator. So what I'm try to say to my "Predator fans" is to look at "Predator" for what he is and can do and not all of this Hollywood hype they want us to believe.

p2 doesent suck an excellent sequel to p1,they havent done anything to beat it yet!!

I always liked P2 even more than P1, and it changed some time ago when i realized the classic Predator is just better and any sequel can't be better than original. I loved everything in P2, the predator itself looked way better than P1, and the city theme was very cool. but i gotta say, after i watched Predators, the new sequel fits the original just better, with pretty much the same features P1 had.

my order goes:

1. Predator
2. Predator 2/Predators - here's a tie
and then:
3. AVP: Requiem - only because of Wolf design
4. AVP

I love P2 I just like P1 more

Nothing wrong with P2, we get a cool new pred, new weapons, great action, the lost hunters, the ship, the trophy wall, and if you wanted a replica gun, add a big old laser sight to anything and bingo instant futuristic weapon, even the shotguns had a laser sight on them

Well Iv always made it known that im a big P2 fan, i think its a very underated film even amongst our little universe. Sure the acting wasn't great, the set pieces could have been better but it gave us a new predator.... and a badass at that! i love the P2 design as much as i love the P1. I think also going with Roger for the main role was a nice change to Arnie and his muscles! He was an underdog and everybody loves an underdog. I enjoyed Predators which had better actors and more modern effects etc, but i think if i had them both on blu ray infront of me now and a big tub of popcorn, id choose P2 with its Hammy acting and all 9 times out of 10. Voodoo Magic man!!!





No pred needed....

I'm mostly w/ Elkman here. P2 is actually not a bad sequel and stands far apart from the AVP series successors. However, first off, Harrigan is crap. I'm not a Danny Glover fan, although I love Lethal Weapon and he's good in there, but P2 doesn't fit him, or rather, the whole character doesn't fit. As has been said, the writing and dialogues are awful, and while they weren't at their best in P1 either, that was on a different level of badassitude and simply had the higher pace and better directing. I can wrap my head around the fact that a Special Forces unit in an 80s film includes a lot of larger than life characters. The first scene in the department looks like it's been taking from Last Action Hero, it was so over the top; everytime I see it I expect an old lady spanking some hardass with her purse. Keyes was what tvtropes.org describes as "The Large Ham"; go look it up, that site is hilarious.

I really like the fight scenes though, the slaughterhouse scene is immensely tight and suspenseful, and so's the train scene.

Most of all, though, The Lost Hunters. A scene 1:20ish minutes long, where the Lost Hunters add up to about 30s of combined screentime, and yet there's different characters and sizes that come in a packaging executed so expertly you would expect them to be the main characters (instead of the AVP way, where the main character's suit seemed to have got 1:20 minutes of detailing and sculpting).

It's a classic, but IMO, Predator is the better movie all around.

Predator 2 is a 10/10 masterpiece.

Brutal violence, high body count , cgi free, awesome predator design, awesome predator weapons, awesome score by the master Silvestri, sometimes similar to the first movie score, but it has it's own and unique style.

Great action scenes, cool characters, tons of harsh language, Harrigan was sublime as a hard as nail crazy cop who has his car trunk filled with war weaponnery, he is aggressive, this whole movie is aggressive, you can feel the heat, you can feel the fear, the pain, characters smoke cigar, joints, Teri Weigel is naked, you can almost smell the blood.They all scream.

No f*g characters allowed, no love story allowed,no Hollywood puritanism allowed,the story was expanded,the predator species expanded in the RIGHT way.

I will never forget the MPAA, we lost 15 minutes because of their stupidity, and so far no dvd or bluray featured 'em, and i badly wanan see 'em, i'll pay for 'em.

The jokes are badass and adult oriented, even the secondary characters are cool, we have Robert Davi, we have King Willie,Peter Keyes they're utterly cool.

Tony Pope is hated ny most people but his character is excellent, you really want to punch him in the face, and then the movie again manage to involve your personal feelings, it's so intense.

They even developped the medikit in a smart and great way.They respected the predator Spirit perfectly.

I watched this movie in a theater when i was 10, and since then, i loved it so much...I watched the vhs and the dvd so many times that i lost the count, and i continue to watch it, every weeks.

This movie never bore me, it's still the same intense pleasure again and again, the replay value is IMMORTAL.

The ending alone with the elder and the clan in the ship is so great, and one of the best ending i've ever seen in 30 years.

And i've seen a lot.

It would take a few books to explain every cool stuffs from P2, so, to be quick

Predator = 11/10
Predator2 = 10/10

Predators = ZERO/10
AVP= ZERO/10
AVPR = ZERO/10 (But Wolf is 9/10)

wdf?? that sure must be an acronym that I just don't get, right?

I liked the P2 movie better than the P1 movie mainly because of the Lost Hunters. They are my favorites of all. Excellent designs by the Winston crew and because in my mind's eye, they are still alive somewhere in the galaxy:

P1 Pred: dead
P2 main Pred: dead
AVP Scar, Celtic, Chopper: dead
AVP-R Wolf: dead
Predators P1 style and the 3 Berserker Preds: dead

P2 Lost Hunters...... Still alive. Yeah, I know some other Preds were alive at the end of AVP, but I like the P2 ones better.

Well said and thought of Fett. Lost Hunters are still out there alive somewhere

lol cant argue with that logic Andy.

The Predators at the end of AvP are all dead too since the pred-alien apparently killed them. Some how I doubt that Elder and other blooded predators died to a flawless victory from the predalien. AvP-r shouldn't have even been made. No way did that pre-alien kill all of those predators.

The Predalien didn't kill all them. At the start of AVP-R, a smaller ship containing the Predalien took off from the larger Predator ship (the main one seen at the end of AVP). The little ship was the one where the Predalien killed the smaller crew off.

For me, looking back now, it IS that the hero was do different, and just lacked the sort of menace Arnie had. Predator was really a cheesy 80s actioner until Billy and Arnie are looking up into that tree, right before Hawkins gets it. After that, it became a really unique, sci-fi horror flick. It was still cheesy, because everyone was so roided out, but it functioned better as a film because every member of the team was so physically imposing. Even though I think Special Forces guys have NEVER looked like that, it kind of helps you go along with them being tough, hard to kill, and able to hold their own.

Then there's Danny Glover. An over-the-hill, tough guy cop.

Seriously? Do I need to go into it any more?

Someone else mentioned the cartoonish-ness of the gangs, which is something I never thought about. The human villains were all just a bunch of stereotypes, wearing AWFUL clothing, talking with thick accents and doing some REALLY dumb shit. The strength of Predator was in it's characters, and even though they were very unique people, none of them were rambunctious or gaudy. They each were their own person, and had distinctive personalities, but they were all sort of subdued. Although I liked the characters in P2, I thought they were just too much. Bill Paxton? Gary Busey? Maria Conchita Alonso? Grabbing his nuts in the station like that? C'mon... These are the characters we have to replace guys like Billy? It just doesn't work.

For a movie that was ALREADY a bit over-the-top, laced with 80s cheese, P2 was just TOO much.

No idea, I think P2 is the best Predator movie second only to Predator.